The other one. The one where God "chose us in him before the foundation of the world(ESV)." The Irish Calvinist has some posts I'm carefully following here and here. They have a great discussion going, so if you take a peak don't forget to read the comments. I'm really trying to work through some of that stuff and really understand it. (Is that possible or am I just kidding myself?) I'm thinking about asking some of my questions and opening some serious cans of worms. But not tonight.